Navigating the End of Co-Sleeping
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[00:00:00] Welcome to this sleep by Alex podcast. I am a certified pediatric sleep consultant and a mom of three, and I will be bringing you quick science backed sleep advice to get you and your baby or a toddler sleeping well.
Hi everyone. I am back. So sorry about last week. I know there was no episode last Tuesday, the week before we were on vacation, and then last week I came back and hosted my big masterclass for independent maps. So I really just wanted to. Focus on that, and I'm so glad I did. It was really worth it. We had a great time on vacation and the masterclass was a blast.
I've already gotten so much great feedback about it, so thank you so much. If you are somebody who attended that class, I very much appreciate you, but we are back this week and hopefully not missing any more weeks until maybe the day my baby comes.
I don't know. I am 31 weeks [00:01:00] along. Now we're getting closer and closer. Just a reminder, I will be sharing my entire like sleep postpartum journey once this baby is born. That's really what encouraged me to start this podcast is I would love to have heard somebody going through the trenches like step by step each week with their baby.
And so I really wanna share this with you. Like it's great that I can give all these tips, but what does this actually look like in real life when you have a 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 week old and so on. So if you're interested about hearing that journey, make sure you press subscribe and you stick around because we are on the two month countdown until my due date, we are getting closer and closer.
I can't wait to meet this baby. I can't wait to find out if it's a boy or girl. So stick around to hear all of the news and updates. Now, today we will be chatting, transitioning out of co-sleeping. This can be a pretty emotional topic for a few reasons, [00:02:00] either because co-sleeping has been an amazing bonding experience for you and you're sad to see it coming to its end.
Or because you've ended up here out of pure desperation and you are feeling so sleep deprived and burnt out and you've shed tears over this, maybe you're even feeling guilty about it. Oh my gosh. Whatever you're feeling about it. I've honestly been there. I felt all the things about co-sleeping before and you are so not alone.
So whatever brought you here today, you are welcome here. I've got you either way. Okay. Let me start by saying if you are co-sleeping with your baby or toddler and you are perfectly happy doing so, you like how sleep looks, you don't feel frustrated or sleep deprived,, you and your baby are getting the sleep that they need, and you're perfectly fine with continuing to co-sleep, then great.
You should keep doing that. But if you are co-sleeping and you are feeling tired, burnt out, frustrated, exhausted, maybe you never [00:03:00] have time to fill your own cup,
maybe you're even suffering with postpartum depression or anxiety. , not getting good sleep is going to significantly increase these things.
So if you are struggling with co-sleeping or your baby's not getting the sleep they need. , but you feel guilty for not co-sleeping. Maybe you've heard that it's biologically normal to sleep with your baby, that your baby just spent nine or 10 months in your body, so of course they need to sleep next to you.
This is normal. So many other cultures do it. You're going to ruin your attachment by teaching your baby to sleep independently, yada, yada, yada.
Then I will say these are not reasons to continue co-sleeping. There is absolutely zero evidence that teaching your baby or toddler to sleep on their own is going to have. Any effect whatsoever on your beautiful attachment you have built with them day in and day out, you are growing this attachment with them through every single little [00:04:00] interaction you have with them thousands of times a day.
Teaching them to sleep on their own is not going to harm this.
And what I will say is if you are depressed, anxious, sleep deprived, exhausted, no time to care for yourself, frustrated. If you're feeling those things, I'd actually argue that you're probably not being your best tuned in caregiver during the day
where you would wanna bring your best self to the situation, and you are building that attachment with your baby all day long. So think about what kind of parent you are day and night.
We are in charge of meeting all of our baby's needs, right? Of course, they are born and it is our job to make sure they are fed and they are safe and they are loved and that we socialize them. And that we interact with them, right? We are meeting all of their needs and we can meet as many wants as we see appropriate, right?
But we cannot meet all of our children's wants. So this is a moment [00:05:00] to determine what exactly is a need here and what exactly is a want. And can I set a new boundary for us while still remaining at tuned in and connected caregiver, of course you can.
Just because you set boundaries does not make you a bad parent, right? We're gonna talk a bit about that today,
but. Either way, whatever brought you to co-sleeping and whatever is making you feel the tug towards moving away from it, you're welcome here. I've got you every step of the way. Let's let go of some of the stress of what's happened over the last few months, however sleep looks like for you. Let's let go of the guilt of what has maybe happened over the last few months or maybe even years, and let's just get you a plan to move forward and free yourself if that's what you're wanting to do.
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First I'm going to quickly define co-sleeping because co-sleeping is this big word that you often hear, but it can encompass a couple things. There is bed sharing [00:06:00] and room sharing. So I do wanna clarify these terms, the difference between bed sharing and room sharing. Is bed sharing is when you and your baby are sleeping in the same bed, so you and your baby or toddler are sharing a sleep space.
You're sharing the mattress, you're sleeping in the same bed room. Sharing is when your baby is in their own sleep space, but in your room. So if your baby is sleeping in a bassinet or a pack and play, or a crib or a toddler bed. In the same room as you, then you are room sharing. Some would still say this is co-sleeping.
So what I want to make clear today, just for simplicity sake, when I say co-sleeping, I mean sharing an actual sleep space with your baby like they are in bed with you. Okay? When I say co-sleeping today, I am talking about sleeping with your baby on the same sleep surface.
Now you may find yourself ready to transition out of co-sleeping for a variety of reasons.
You may [00:07:00] have intended to co-sleep from the get go. Maybe you decided from day one, this is what is important to me and my family, and this is what I'm going to do, and that's how you ended up here. Maybe you ended up here because you were in the trenches of sleep deprivation and you did it just for survival.
Maybe it's even worked well for a while for you, and now it no longer feels like it works. Or maybe it never felt like it worked for you. But this is just what you've been stuck doing. 'cause you don't know what else to do in order to at least get a couple hours of rest at a time. There are many, many reasons families start to co-sleep, and there are many reasons you may be ready to stop co-sleeping.
One important reason you may be ready to stop co-sleeping is for safety. So the a a P does recommend that your baby sleeps on their own safe sleep surface. So in a crib or a bassinet that has a flat firm mattress , nothing else in the bed. And that's a separate sleep space from you.
So it's okay to [00:08:00] be in the same room as you, of course, but in a separate sleep space. This is the safest way for your baby to sleep. So this may be one reason why you've decided you're ready to move outta co-sleeping. Another reason you might be ready is maybe you are still close sleeping with your 1-year-old and you have another baby on the way, right?
Ugh. It's one thing for one baby to need you all night long. It's another thing for two babies to need you all night long, or maybe you're worried your newborn's going to wake up your toddler once they're born. So another sibling on the way can be a reason that you're ready to move away from co-sleeping.
Maybe you and your baby are no longer getting the sleep that you need. Like you once were able to get some stretches of sleep. Maybe they'd sleep five hours or they'd sleep six hours on good nights, and now they're up every hour, every two hours. Neither of you are getting restorative rest all night long.
That could be a reason that you're ready to make a change. Maybe you're just ready to have your bed back. I know that sometimes this is the only moment that you have of quiet during the day, especially if you have multiple [00:09:00] kids in order to chat and connect with your partner. If you have one, maybe you're just ready to have your space back.
Maybe you're tired of your toddler kicking you in the back, or you are baby headbutting you. That's what mine used to do. You're just ready for your bed to be your bed. . Maybe you're ready to have your evenings back, so maybe you are feeling ready to be able to lay your baby down and put them to bed at 7, 7 30, and then you have a couple hours to fill your own cup. You can take care of yourself. You can read a book, you can take a shower,
you can watch some reality TV shows. You can catch up with your partner, have a little at home date night. You can maybe spend time with your older children while the baby sleeps. You can make sure to get your house nice and reset so in the morning you wake up and it's nice and clean. Whatever you choose to do during this time to feel like you are.
Filling your own cup and you're getting your time back caring for yourself so you can be a better parent during the day when your baby wakes up.
I've had experience at one time or another with sleeping with [00:10:00] all three of my kids, right? I've gone through this journey of times that they were in my bed and times that they were not.
My third baby was my first baby. I wasn't going back to work after I had him. I was officially stay at home mom already when I had him, and I was just more lenient about sleep in the newborn months. I thought, well, I'm not going back to work. I don't really care if he sleeps in my bed.
We're sleeping fine when we sleep together, and it works for us. I knew I was gonna sleep train at some point, but I was fine for the first handful of months, him being in my bed or so, I thought this is what started to happen. It worked really well for the first three-ish months. He would sleep long stretches and we would snuggle together and he would like to sleep with my forehead, touching his forehead, and he's a newborn and I loved that closeness with him.
And I needed the sleep. I also had two other toddlers to take care of, and this was working for me. Then between three and four months, it got a lot harder because that's when he went through that sort of [00:11:00] four month sleep regression shift. He was still co-sleeping, but waking so frequently that the co-sleeping wasn't even working.
Now we're waking every 90 minutes, every two hours, sometimes every 45 minutes. And I'm sleeping with him yet still exhausted.
Even as we made it out of the trenches of the four month sleep regression and we made it past that, like dropping the swaddle period in the waking up every hours period, we were still stuck with very frequent wake-ups. I was lucky if he would sleep two or three hours at a time , and at bedtime he would only sleep like 20 to 45 minutes because I wasn't staying in there with him when he was going to bed.
So this started to look like me needing to lay with him into my bed with our heads touching until he fell asleep. And now, of course, it's only like seven o'clock, so I'd sneak up out of the bed. I'd wanna be able to do my skincare and brush my teeth and get myself ready for bed. Maybe even read a book, watch a show.
But no, literally like 30 to 45 minutes later, [00:12:00] maximum, he's crying again. And the only way to get him back to sleep was to lay down with him with my head touching his forehead. And by that point it's like, you know, probably getting close to eight o'clock. So I just think, ugh, okay, well I'll just go to bed because this is silly.
I'm not gonna lay here and do this again, and then get up. So I ended up just needing to go to bed every night between seven and eight. With my baby and I had absolutely no time to myself. No time. 'cause not only am I caring for my kids all day long, even when they go to sleep, I'm still on duty.
I remember just wanting to get some dinner with a friend. I was not going to be gone long at all. You know, maybe two hours max and.
I left the baby at home just to have some time for myself with my friend, and I got home to a screaming baby because my husband was laying with him and my husband was trying to snuggle him and co-sleep with him, but even that wasn't working. What he had associated with sleep was his head touching my head and being snuggled up to me.
[00:13:00] So I couldn't even leave for an hour or two without. Thinking about the fact that he's in bed screaming right now, not going to sleep. This no longer felt sustainable. I could not do that anymore. Looking back at it now, I had really terrible postpartum depression during that, and while I loved his newborn period, I didn't realize how much that like four to six month period really, really ate at me.
Finally around six months, I'm like, yeah, I can't physically do this anymore. I need to be able to put my kids to bed and have a couple hours to myself. I need to be able to put him down for naps and know that I have time to care for my toddlers, or have time to get a quick workout in, or I have time to change my clothes.
I have time to eat lunch. I officially needed that in order to be a good mom. So that's when I decided to move away from co-sleeping with my third.
The easiest time to transition out of co-sleeping is going to be between around four and six months. This is really the sweet spot for changing your sleep habits. [00:14:00] Babies catch on quickly to new things. They usually transition pretty easily and while there can definitely be some protests, it's usually a very quick process and they're not too set in their ways.
By four to six months, as your baby gets older, this is definitely going to get harder. If your baby is older than six to nine months, you can expect more protest for it to take longer and for there to just be more moving parts. They get more skills, they are aware of more things, and it can just become trickier in that way.
So if your baby is older than four to six months, the next best time to transition outta co-sleeping is as soon as possible. Your baby is only getting older, so the older your baby gets, the trickier it does get to transition out of co-sleeping. So if it's even on your radar at all, now is the time. Now is the youngest your child will ever be, and it could be the easiest it will be for quite a while.
That being said, it is never too late. I don't want you to hear this, and you have a 16 month old, an 18 month [00:15:00] old, a two and a half year old, and you think, oh no. It's way too late for me. I'm way past six months old. Don't worry. I work with so many clients with older babies who are transitioning out of co-sleeping.
It is never too late to change up your sleep habits. There is no perfect time. Just know if it's on your radar, the sooner the better.
Okay, so you're ready to make the transition. Where do we start? Well, let's start with preparing for this transition. Okay. We're gonna prepare in a few ways. We're gonna prepare ourselves, we're gonna prepare our sleep space, and we're gonna prepare our child a little bit if we can. So first of all, you need to tune into your mindset.
As a parent in this moment, it is totally okay to feel sad and conflicted or nervous when making this transition. It's totally understandable that you would feel this way, and I've felt all of these exact feelings that you're feeling right now.
I'm sure. It is also [00:16:00] okay to feel a little bit excited, right? Whatever you're feeling, just remember, your connection is not ending when co-sleeping is ending. Okay? You are still going to have so many snugly connecting moments with your baby or toddler. Promise you this does not end just because you don't co-sleep.
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And also just reiterate to yourself your why. It can even be helpful to write it down. That's what I have people do when they take my course or they join the membership. You're going to literally type out what is your why? What is it exactly that's driving you to doing this, right? Is it better sleep for you guys? Is it more time for yourself? Is it a happier baby because they're actually getting the sleep they need? Whatever it may be, write down all of your whys because in those hard moments, which there will be hard moments, you're gonna be able to come back to those and remind yourself that this is why we're in this.
Okay.
And regardless of how you're feeling, you're going to want to lead with a calm, [00:17:00] peaceful demeanor about this with your baby or toddler. You're going to want to lead with confidence, even if it means that you're faking it until you make it. That is okay. Your baby is going to feed off of your energy. So even if you're feeling sad or nervous or conflicted about the process.
I want you to lead with confidence and don't put that onto your baby, okay? Your baby will be safe. Your baby will be happy. Your baby will still be loved when they sleep in their own bed, and let's not put our worries and fears onto them. Lead with confidence because they're going to feed off of that energy coming from you.
Okay. Setting up your new sleep space. So if you are moving your baby into their own room and their own sleep space, it's important that you've set it up safely and in order to encourage good sleep out of them. Right? So it can be helpful that they have. Blackout curtains or blackout blinds. Their room can get nice and dark.
They have any [00:18:00] comfort item that they normally sleep with. Maybe they have a sleep sack or they sleep with a levee, or they have a pacifier or their sheet smells like you. Maybe you've slept with their sheet for a few nights. It can be helpful to have white noise playing for consistency all night long.
Make sure their crib is a firm flat surface with a fitted sheet with nothing else in the crib unless they're old enough for a lovey.
We've made sure we've created a calm environment that is conducive for sleep before starting this process. Then you're gonna wanna start prepping your baby for this move. So it's important to start introducing the new space to them before the very first day. Right? It can be super helpful that you start doing some playtime in their room, or you start offering all of their naps in their room.
You start reading books or singing songs with them in their room. You are doing your bedtime routine in their new room. This is all before you've even moved out of co-sleeping. This is just to [00:19:00] teach them that, hey, this is another space that we can spend time in. This is another safe space for you that you can become familiar with and there's nothing new or crazy about this space before we decide to have them sleep in there all night long.
This can be really, really helpful.
Okay, so now we're ready to start the transition and how do we go about this? Of course, this is just a quick podcast. I cannot give you an individualized plan via a quick 20 minute recording, right. This is exactly what I work on doing. With parents through the Sleep by Alex membership and through consultation calls.
So right now I'm going to go over some basics of what to look out for and how things can go and your options when it comes to methods as far as transitioning out of co-sleeping, but just know every baby and family. Different. You all have different temperaments. You all have different timelines. You all have different sleep needs.
So for an individualized approach for [00:20:00] how to address the sleep situation and get your baby sleeping in their bed, I highly recommend you head over to the membership or schedule a consultation call. So if your baby is a newborn, that first few months of life under four months old, this is really just going to take practice, practice, practice.
Your baby has spent 40 ish weeks. In your womb or in somebody's womb all snuggled up and all curled up in a ball and all warmth. So of course their bassinet is going to be something that takes time to get used to. It's just a new environment that we have to teach them to sleep in, and this can take time and practice.
I see so many parents give up on the bassinet because their baby didn't like it. Yes. Most newborns when they first come out. Are not going to love sleeping their bassinet versus sleeping in your arms. But the more we practice, practice, practice and make it consistent that this [00:21:00] is where you sleep. Now, the more your baby will get used to it, the faster they'll get used to it and the easier it'll be to keep them in their bed all night rather than in your bed all night.
If your baby's a newborn and they're not yet showing signs of rolling a swaddle is going to be super helpful for this. If you're transitioning out of co-sleeping, you're shooting for an independent nap, you want them to sleep in their bassine at night, you have to be s swaddling them. I hate to say have to, I don't like telling people have to is when it comes to sleep.
You don't have to be swaddling them. That came out wrong. But this is like the first step towards independent sleep. When there are a newborn, it is going to help so, so much. And if you think your baby doesn't like it, just keep practicing and stacking other soothing methods on top of the swaddle. This isn't the only thing that's gonna put your baby to sleep,
it is just what's going to help keep them asleep in their bassinet. Okay? They're gonna squirm. They're gonna wake up, they're gonna grunt. They're gonna move. They're a very light sleeper, so being in a swaddle will help calm their Morrow reflex and [00:22:00] help them feel nice and snuggled like they were inside the womb, and help them sleep in that bassinet space.
When transitioning out of co-sleeping with your newborns aim for at least the first part of the night being in the bassinet. So give yourself little goals. Okay? Tonight, can the first three hours at least be in the bassinet? And yes, does this mean that we're up more frequently trying to soothe our baby and get them back down, or feeding them and getting them back to sleep?
Yes, absolutely. But I promise the more consistent you are with this, the faster they're going to catch on aim for the first part of the night in the bassinet, knowing that maybe the second part of the night they end up in your bed and that's gonna be okay. If you're ready to push for the whole night, you can gradually move to longer intervals of them being in their bassinet at night.
So, for example, the first night, you might say, okay. Tonight until midnight. I'm really gonna give it a good old effort to get them back into their bassinet. I'm gonna keep practicing that. The next day you might aim for 1230. The next day you might aim for one o'clock, 1 30, 2 o'clock, [00:23:00] so on and so forth.
Until we get them in their bassinet most of the night, it can be helpful to practice some naps in there as well, maybe just once a day, just to have them familiar with that space. And not only sleeping in your arms, but just know with newborns, they're too young for us to be sleep training them or teaching them to fall asleep independently in their bassinet,
they are going to need some help being rocked to sleep or padded to sleep, or helped back to sleep in the middle of the night. That is really, really normal. So really what it takes to transition out of co-sleeping in the newborn months is practice and consistency. You're just gonna keep placing them in there.
For as long as you can handle it.
Okay, the next age I will touch on here is four to 24 month old. So once your baby turns four months old and about until the age of two, we can pretty much address these situations in the same way, of course, tweaking it depending on your baby's needs and their age.
Between four and 24 months old, you may choose to take a gradual [00:24:00] approach. So with a gradual approach of transitioning out of co-sleeping, you're still going to be providing a lot of help to your baby to help them fall asleep, but we're going to give it a good old effort to get them sleeping in their own sleep space.
So right now, if they're laying on top of you while you sleep, you may just start out by your baby sleeping beside you in your bed. Rather than on top of you. And then as they get used to that, you may move your baby even further away from you in the bed while you sleep. This part may involve your partner if you have one, sleeping in a different space so that you and your baby can have enough space between you guys so that you used to being a little further from you, and then eventually that may.
Lead into you placing them into their bassinet right next to your bed. Or if they're too big for a bassinet, maybe you have a pack and play or a crib pulled up right next to your bed. If you don't have room for this in your room or you're ready to move into their room, then you may even be moving a mattress onto their floor so that you [00:25:00] can sleep next to their crib all night long while they're in their sleep space.
Eventually over time, you'll slowly move yourself closer and closer to the door, eventually being outside the door and the long-term goal of them being able to sleep in there without you, of course, with a gradual method, there will still be protest. Okay? Your baby or toddler is naturally going to protest this transition.
We have to once again decipher what is a need here and what is a want. Also with a gradual method, your baby may require lots of rocking, feeding, padding, or soothing back to sleep all night long. ? We have to go into a gradual method knowing that your baby may still wake up for you. So be aware about this, but if you stay gung-ho about it and you keep on track, they will get used to the space quickly.
Okay?
Just be aware until your four plus [00:26:00] month old can be laid. In their sleep space completely awake. You say goodnight and you walk out the door and they fall asleep on their own. They will most likely keep waking up for you frequently in the middle of the night, needing to be soothed back to sleep. This is a natural occurrence that happens because your baby is coming in and out of sleep cycles, so whatever help your baby needs at bedtime to fall asleep, whether you've gotten them in their sleep space, but you're still rocking, padding, feeding to sleep, laying with them until they fall asleep.
You have to go into the night knowing that it's gonna be perfectly normal for them to wake up every two to three hours needing help to get back to sleep in the middle of the night. Can you teach them to fall asleep completely on their own in a gradual way so that you don't have to be in there all night long?
Absolutely. You can slowly remove the intervention you're providing over time. , it can just take a good three to six months before your baby fully gets there. So if you're okay with that time commitment and your baby's temperament is [00:27:00] okay with you being in the same room as them and gradually removing that intervention, then great.
I break down this gradual method and my four to 24 month course. So if you'd like to hear all about that,
see the show notes to join the membership so you can gain instant access to that course. What if you'd like a more accelerated approach? What if you are like, no way, I don't have three to six months left in me. I am exhausted and burnt out and I need a change next week.
Then the best way to go about this for your four to 24 month old is transitioning out of co-sleeping and teaching your baby to fall asleep independently, all at the same time. Have the process done within a couple weeks rather than at least a few months. Right? So with my method, what we do first is we optimize their daytime sleep.
We're making sure. We're preventing over tiredness. We are on the right nap schedule. We're laying the groundwork during the day so that we can prevent hiccups at night. So we really wanna start with daytime sleep. Once we've [00:28:00] nailed that down, we're then going to teach them to fall asleep completely independently.
In their sleep space, starting day one, laying them down, awake at nap time and bedtime while supporting them in the middle of the night or after a short nap so you can totally keep night feeds through this whole process. If you wish, you can keep extending your baby's nap via contact naps. If they wake up from a short nap, we're really gonna support them in these other places as we teach them to fall asleep independently in their sleep space.
Once they're falling asleep on their own in their crib, then we can work on nap lengthening. If they're hanging onto those 30 minute cat naps, we can work on cutting down nighttime, wake up if they're still waking every two to three hours, needing to be fed back to sleep or whatever it may be.
But all of this will be done within a couple weeks. So it's a pretty quick process as long as we've found a good method that jives with your baby's temperament. So once again, this is what I do with everybody in the Sleep by Alex membership. You [00:29:00] join, you watch the course, you bring me your questions. I guide you every step of the way, and I help you find an approach that feels right for you and individualized for you.
Also, this is actually the perfect time to join 'cause we are having our anniversary sale for the Sleep by Alex membership. So it's officially been one year since I launched this community and in the last year, over 170 families have come through this program and reaped the benefits of being able to access all of my resources and my group sleep coaching sessions and send me our questions anytime.
So if you're curious about this, now is the time to join. You're going to use the code masterclass at checkout because with this code, you're going to receive 50% off of your membership. For life, not just the first month for life, for as long as you decide to stay. And as always, there's no minimum time commitment.
You can stay for as long or as short as you please. It's the perfect time to join because this sale ends [00:30:00] this Saturday morning, August 9th at 8:00 AM Pacific time. And our next group sleep coaching session begins this Thursday, August 7th. So it's the perfect time to join because you're going to gain instant access to that four to 24 month sleep course.
You're going to watch all the videos, and on Thursday you'll come to our kickoff call. And I'll make sure to get all your questions answered. We pick a method for you. We optimize your baby's sleep. We get you all set up, and then you can start implementing whenever you're ready. We have multiple live calls each month that
you get to come live and chat to me and get your questions answered. They're like mini consultation calls. And then in between all the calls, you can send me your questions anytime, any day, every single day if you want to, and I will always reply to you. So if you've. Even been thinking about transitioning out of co-sleeping this week, you can do it for $17.
I'm sorry. You will not find sleep support cheaper than that. You can transition out of [00:31:00] co-sleeping for $17. So if you're curious about this, there's a link in the show notes. Use the code masterclass at checkout in order to receive this amazing deal that won't come back around for a while.
Thanks for tuning in this week. I know I did not cover two to five year olds, so if you have a toddler older than the age of two, don't worry. I will get to you at some point. I don't want this to go too long, so I'm gonna have to split it up between the babies and the toddlers. But thank you so much for being here.
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